Return to St. Andrews: The Pilgrimage II Reunion

Matt Considine (00:03.704)
Welcome to the Bag Drop, Untold Stories in Golf. I'm your host, Matt Considine, founder of New Club, here today as your solo host. No professor, he's wrapping gifts and wrapping the school year and some research projects, but I'm here for one of my favorite things we do. I say it's a tradition. The guys might give me some grief. This was something that was to be done about a year ago, and we're doing it now as our second ever pilgrimage, the New Club pilgrimage.

to St. Andrews, our second group to ever make this journey. It's really become the, I want to say the main tradition, but one of the main traditions of our golf society to get home to the home of golf, to experience it the way that locals do. was, grew out of my own experiences. I'll get to that in a second, but it was really about the spirit and inspiration for this whole

concept of why New Club exists, why, you you listen to this podcast, you probably understand the reasons why New Club exists and what we want to do for the game of golf. And so do these gentlemen that we have on this call, because they were the second wave of eight members from New Club to go experience the home of golf in that way, to visit the New Golf Club of St. Andrews, where we get our namesake and to hang out with our friends, Andy.

Andy Dalton and Graham White. How about that? Andy White and Graham Dalton. They'll love that intro for them. I was thinking about how to replace the professor, fun fact today. And I think because we're going to be talking about St. Andrews, because we're going to be talking about the home of golf, I went back to my archives and I found this letter. It's a letter I wrote to the members of New Club when we finally decided to

Scott Ford (01:39.766)
hahahaha

George M (01:39.964)
Great.

Matt Considine (02:01.676)
make this a fourth fixture, make it the only international fixture that we do every year. And it is a reflection of my own experiences. And I wanted to share it at the top because one, you can get me out of the way and we can actually hear what these guys have to say about their experiences at St. Andrew's together. But I think it really speaks to the why, to the why we want to do this, why we're so passionate about it and why we want to continue sending members of

of New Club over to Scotland and St. Andrews every single year. So this is just an excerpt and then we'll get into it. Just to the right of this iconic 18th, a moment of inspiration took hold and never let go. Now looking back, I often wonder if it was just me. How many others have shared this moment at this place? Golf would never be the same for me again. There was no going back. We sat upstairs in a clubhouse that felt much more like a friend's home.

It is a small two story building between Gibson Place and a road appropriately named Lynx. We drank our scotch, ate our chips, listened to the stories of the day's matches, and reveled in the unstoppable spirit of this remarkable place. The sun started to set over the Lynx we had just traversed. The old course, the oldest course, and the breathtaking sight made way for the most memorable silence. Something we took in so vividly that it temporarily suspended our disbelief.

magic. It gave us that breath back and again filled the room with stories and laughter. We came home and the inspiration wasn't fleeting. It took over and that unstoppable spirit of St. Andrew's was now somehow a part of us. New Club Golf Society would exist. It would be straightforward. It would stand for the true spirit of the game. It would be accessible, affordable, sustainable, and above all else, meaningful.

Sitting at the table then, I would have never thought that in seven years I'd be back to experience this place again with a society of American golfers who feel the same way. My first wish for our group is to experience what I have, what thousands of others have before me, to allow this place to work into our bones and impact our lives for the better. My second wish is to bring that feeling home to the towns we are from. Even if it's only one-tenth as visceral,

Matt Considine (04:30.092)
it will impact those around us for the better, including all the golfers we play with and courses we play at from this day forward. All their lives will be richer too, for us having been here right now in St. Andrews, the home of golf, together.

That's my intro for today. Thank you for listening to the bag drop. Also thanks to our friends at Titleist. We're going to be talking a lot about Lynx Golf on this one. And as I reflect on that, my most recent journey to St. Andrews, I was, well, two visits ago struggling with the wedges, struggling around the game. Do I putt everything out? Do I do chip? Do I chip with it? It's all about the grinds, baby.

My awareness, if you're a loyal listener to the show, you know my friends at Titleist helped me figure out my grinds. I basically had four spoons and a spork in my bag and I was trying to eat meals with those. You gotta have a knife, you gotta have a fork, you gotta have a spoon. That's what they did. They got me dialed in with an F grind, an M grind, an S grind in my 60. I now know what I'm eating with. Go get fit for Vokey SM10 wedges. You won't regret it. Thanks for our friends at Titleist and without further ado.

On to the show.

Matt Considine (05:49.87)
Pilgrimage number two crew. Welcome to the bag drop.

Chris (05:56.165)
Woo!

Matt Considine (05:57.316)
There's a lot of silent, remember this is not video forward, it's audio forward, so we need your voices. Scott Ford, George Myers, Robert Thee Bruce, Jay Searle, Chris Knoizen. Thanks for being here with us guys. We got five out of the eight, not too bad on short notice.

Scott Ford (05:57.555)
Bye folks.

Jay Searle (05:58.671)
You

Scott Ford (06:16.296)
Yeah, thanks for having us, Matt.

George M (06:17.149)
My pleasure.

Robert The Bruce (06:18.196)
Appreciate it.

Matt Considine (06:19.19)
I'm pumped to hear about this. It is a different flex, I feel. We're doing a year and a half after travel. I hope the memories are still sharp or maybe they've evolved with time and space, but I'm going to start us off with you, Captain Ford. You are the second captain to make the Pilgrimage, and that was intentional. You and I talked about this when you were in your two-year stint as Atlanta's first captain of our golf society, and we wanted you on that first one.

Scott Ford (06:41.308)
Okay.

Matt Considine (06:48.932)
Obviously schedules. think the kid was off to college. It doesn't always work out. But you said to me, you go, I'm the first name on, on 2024, put me down. We're doing this. And that just was the thing that, kind of snowballed into, um, making sure this, this tradition caught hold. And so I, I guess my question for you as, as that, uh, club captain of ours is, you know, the first Atlanta captain to make this, this pilgrimage, when you think back, what

Scott Ford (06:51.731)
Yeah.

Matt Considine (07:17.792)
emotion comes to mind when you hear people talk about St. Andrews.

Scott Ford (07:22.909)
Matt, thanks for having us. I think immediately what comes to mind is just peace, right? I think that if you've ever made the journey to St. Andrews and had the experience of walking those grounds with family or friends or new friends in our cases, it's just something that stays with you forever. As you just shared, right? So we're 18 months since the second journey and like a good story, it just gets better over time, right? I've spent the past couple of days thinking back through our

through our trips, right? Some of us went over a few days early, some of us stayed a few days later, but at the heart of it, right, was right there in St. Andrews with New Club and the folks that are on this podcast right now.

Matt Considine (08:07.46)
You've been, I'll start with St. Andrews and stay with you, Scott. You've been a number of times and our friends here will attest to Scott Ford organized golf trip is unlike any other. You're not gonna, no rest for the weary. I'll just say that. know you got a motor that goes, how was, of all your trips, how was that heart of it, as you mentioned, the pilgrimage in St. Andrews, what made it different?

Scott Ford (08:23.968)
Hahaha

Scott Ford (08:38.6)
For one, it took the pressure off of me and a few folks that I rely upon to help plan these types of events. And that was a relief, right? Robert, who's on the call with me, he and I had been over there before. And to your point, right, we've gone hard on those other trips. I think what was unique about the pilgrimage for us was there was a little time to breathe, right? Maybe 36 a day is not the right answer, but

What was great about this and our trip was we had one of those days and the other ones we had time to explore, get to know each other and things like that. So taking that pressure off of planning a trip, I think was most important to me.

Matt Considine (09:25.752)
the, I'll come back to you on, on the other courses, cause I want to hear about the additions. know there's some stories there, but I'm to go to Robert, the Bruce and, I'm not going to do this in chronological order guys. Cause obviously there's a moment when we arrive in St. Andrew's, there's, there's certain feeling all golfers have. If you don't feel it, you ain't a golfer. but I'm going to go all the way to departure. This is what I remembered first. And that was Robert the Bruce. I'm going to you,

Was there a certain something you needed to leave the country with that you couldn't locate? Remind me on how that played out and how your friends here helped you.

Robert The Bruce (10:03.24)
Yeah, we were talking about that before the show kicked off. This old log is my most expensive golf trip to date. Quite frankly, only due to that mishap at the end. So thanks to Scott Ford's planning, we were able to book some courses on the front end. Unfortunately, he didn't quite make it to all those with some flight delays. And then somewhere along the way, the folks were reminding me at the front end,

Jay Searle (10:04.568)
He

Robert The Bruce (10:33.15)
We stayed at a hotel where the floor was the tartan style color of my passport. Somehow my passport fell out onto that floor and I was never notified through the entire trip. I was having way too much fun with the guys on the trip enjoying the courses, the camaraderie and it wasn't, and my wife still harasses me about it. She's like, you didn't check the night before?

I was walking into the terminal and I'm like, Oh crap, let me grab my passport out of my book bag. And, uh, it wasn't there. So he's not on the podcast today. Todd Smith was helping me look for that. I had filleted my luggage out onto the ground and the terminal, my clubs, everything was all over the place. So then up strolls Scott Ford, trying to figure out who these goons were with all their luggage everywhere. So needless to say, uh,

Andy White and the team worked some magic. They were able to get me that passport in the same day. Unfortunately, I was trying to make it to a cruise the next morning out of New Orleans. So I had to leave to meet my family. And thus the only flight left that evening was on a Delta One lay flat seat. So that's where the most expensive golf trip in my history of golf trip came into play.

Scott Ford (11:54.886)
Right.

Matt, if I could, nothing brought me to my knees more than walking up that walkway into EDI. And from about 150 yards, I'm thinking, what is going on up there? I see luggage, I see dirty clothes, I see clubs everywhere. And I'm like, man, I hope that person, no. And as I get closer,

Robert's one of my dearest and best friends in the world. And I've seen him in some stressful moments. I've never seen him more defeated at that particular moment. But to the point of why the pilgrimage is so good, what happened? Andy and team rallied, quickly put together a plan, got Robert his passport. It's kind of like a mission impossible scene, man, crossing down the interstate, right?

Chris (12:32.388)
you

Scott Ford (12:53.39)
reaching out the window, grabbing it, just so Robert could make that trip with his family. That's still a very vivid image and memory from our trip.

Robert The Bruce (13:02.324)
Yep. All the way from Aberdeen to E.D.O.

Chris (13:02.436)
He was getting on that late flight set anyway. He was booking that late flight. You know, know, it was a long trip, Robert. I know you weren't going to go middle seat coach, so.

Matt Considine (13:02.702)
that

Scott Ford (13:07.011)
Thanks

George M (13:10.863)
And we were going to to bed.

Robert The Bruce (13:14.586)
No, I wasn't, the last minute change of lay flat was the problem.

Matt Considine (13:21.58)
As much as I really try to resist giving Andy and Graham any accolades whatsoever, it's been built into me now over years of friendship with them. But that is what I've found to be so true is, Scottish culture, they really do slim things down. I would describe it maybe more as a minimalist or essentialism when it comes to their golf. So a lot of the pleasantries we become accustomed to aren't

George M (13:23.549)
you

Matt Considine (13:50.092)
really a part of the DNA so much, but there are moments like this and every trip we've done with them have had it where unreasonable hospitality, I think that's a book that's very popular, unreasonable hospitality has come out of those guys for something that really matters. And obviously Robert, you really mattered to them. You getting on family vacation mattered to them. they moved a few mountains it sounded like to help out.

Robert The Bruce (14:19.953)
yeah.

Matt Considine (14:20.042)
and that's all part of it. On the topic of losing things, the pilgrimage quash, who left with the pilgrimage quash?

Captain Ford, yes, yes. I think this is a far later, probably only six months ago, but we lost that bad boy in international transit. I am happy to report, I'm sure you haven't slept well, Scott. It is located, I think it's spent a couple months in Amsterdam for some reason, but we got it. It is back at the Adamson-Lynx office, ready for our next crew to come and compete for it. But I wanna talk about the competition, because it's something we kinda...

talk about last, I think. And for me, if you're going to experience the home of golf, the way it's intended, the way that the Scots play, the way that, you know, St. Andrew's citizens do, you got to play a match and you got to play it with a team and you need to have not, you know, a ton of money on the line, but you got to be playing for some pride. who would like to, I'll go to Chris Knoizen, Chris Knoizen, tell me about your team dynamic for this competition. you're playing for the

Pilgrimage Quaish, who was your captain and what side did you end up on?

Chris (15:42.597)
was on our teams. You I was more interested in figuring out the course dynamics and cracking a beer and just being the cheerleader than worried too much about, you know, the game will kind of, the game will kind of fall, fall in line. If I overthink the, the competition aspect of it, I get lost. Ford, who was our, who was our makeup that we ended up having out there?

George M (15:51.549)
Thanks for watching.

George M (16:04.355)
Well, I was on your team, Chris, I know that. And I think I was playing against Todd. So Todd, Jay were on the same team, they were on your team, Scott.

Scott Ford (16:04.64)
You. Yep.

Chris (16:06.84)
Yes.

Scott Ford (16:10.284)
Robert was the captain.

Robert The Bruce (16:10.772)
Yeah.

Chris (16:10.809)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Chris (16:18.356)
we had O'Brien. But no, man, was great.

Scott Ford (16:21.39)
Yep, A.M.

Matt Considine (16:21.398)
And if you were the young Toms, was that the young Toms or old?

Robert The Bruce (16:21.491)
Yes.

Matt Considine (16:27.94)
Because Young was with Graham and Graham is undefeated in the quiz.

Robert The Bruce (16:30.238)
Yeah, yeah, we were the old times.

George M (16:31.611)
Okay. I was old time, yeah.

Chris (16:33.228)
Yeah, we were the old times.

Matt Considine (16:35.692)
Yeah. So, so Andy is still Ofer in the pilgrimage tradition. Graham is three and O at this point going into 2026. So who is it? Whoever is on that squad? you, won the main, the main contest. know it was close cause I was looking back at your guys, WhatsApp and it was coming down to the last day. And then there was some getting on the old course and we'll talk about all that. But did, did you feel, I know we've tweaked that competition.

Scott Ford (16:50.658)
Yeah.

Matt Considine (17:04.77)
based on lot of your feedback, but was there a memory from those actual matches that made either a course or a setting or a certain day more memorable than it would have been?

Scott Ford (17:17.252)
George, I'm looking at you if you want to share our match from car news.

George M (17:22.941)
From Carnoustie, yeah, the second round of our Tuesday, right? We were at Panmure in the morning, had decent weather, but it was threatening and ominous. And we showed up at Carnoustie and we're all in our rain gear because we knew it was coming. And I tore off to a blazing start. And I think Scott looked at me after about five or six holds. He 10 handicap.

Scott Ford (17:51.19)
If that was said to war, yeah.

George M (17:51.23)
But then Scott Ford, when the weather worsened, he just rose up. He was like Jesus on the water or something. He was just pulling these shots out of who knows where. mean, on that 16th hole, the long par three, I think, right? I think he had an amazing shot and I was just collapsing, right? But that was one, I remember putting the pressure on you at the beginning of the carnoustie round and then the spectacle bunkers got me.

Matt Considine (17:52.593)
It's not a competition if your handicap doesn't come into question.

Robert The Bruce (18:16.456)
What was that, driver into that part three?

Scott Ford (18:20.739)
Thanks Robert, it was driver into a gale force wind from about 222 yards. Yeah, it was driver to that pin.

Jay Searle (18:28.47)
Yeah. And that was after we kind of sat in the rain shelter for probably 20 minutes, just waiting to get the weather clear enough to even go off to that next tee box. And I think, I think at that point, my match was, closed out and few people said, you know, I don't even want to play the last few holes. I'm going to go to the pub. I'll meet you there later. It was just that bad. just, the weather turned on that back nine so bad, that you were just, you were just trying to survive. You weren't even trying to win your match at that

Scott Ford (18:37.783)
That's right.

Robert The Bruce (18:47.794)
Yeah, I you and I play.

Chris (18:48.419)
Yeah, for-

Robert The Bruce (18:51.699)
Yeah.

George M (18:57.031)
Yeah, one of those things.

Chris (18:57.208)
Yeah, Matt, for a perspective, our caddies had said, you know, a couple of them were younger, but even some of the older that they was a top three worst back nine weather days they had to the point where anyone who's been out there and kind of can navigate the terrain, you're hitting your shot. You're immediately turning backwards and walking backwards up the hill to hit your next shot, to find your ball just because of the way that the winds are progressing. So, some of those matches had a lot of swings.

up and down because I mean to your point driver on the 200 yard part three was part of what you had to deal with that day.

Matt Considine (19:35.754)
I have done enough of these to know one thing that, you know, people will say horrific weather days and we've experienced some of them out of Bandon, over in Scotland, Ireland, you name it. We've seen some nasty stuff, but how I know that statement to be true is I looked again, back at your WhatsApp, there wasn't a picture of that day. Like if you can't even pull out your phone to take a video or picture,

and share it. That is a sign that, okay, it is true survival. They are dealing with some conditions there. So I, do think you guys got quite of a, iconic weather day on Carnegie, which frankly, car nasty, like if I'm going to get that on any course, that's actually where I want it. Cause I want to see how hard does this place play in all the conditions. So it's a kudos to you guys. George Myers, I know you were a fan of it. Also, you guys got to play at the year.

KJ Choi won the senior open there too, which is kind of cool, right? Just on what? A few short weeks after. George, what'd you think of like the conditions and playing Cardinals in that context where, man, they're gonna be hoping a senior open here soon.

George M (20:47.901)
Well, that was amazing. You know, I knew that the tournament was coming, right? And yeah, just playing the course was amazing. think, you know, walking that ground, seeing the holes and the closing holes were just, you know, so much more brutal, you know, and John Vandeveld, I think, Jay, maybe Jay's candy and maybe candy for Vandeveld. So, you know, okay. And senior tour. you know, tragedy was, you know, sort of close with us there, but, but I loved it because

Jay Searle (21:09.184)
His current caddy on the senior tour,

Scott Ford (21:12.278)
down.

George M (21:17.917)
You know, I was here back in Idaho in the Tetons when the senior open came on and I'm like on WhatsApp. I'm watching KJ Choi, you know, against, uh, don't know if it's Robert Bean or somebody, some lefty from Australia and, uh, and just Choi was just heroic. And he, he ended up putting it in the burn on his, uh, I think on his drive, um, on 18 and he recovered. So. Yeah. I mean, it's just amazing to play the holes and, know, play the.

Scott Ford (21:27.455)
Yeah.

George M (21:45.372)
the course that the pros would later play. And I've sort got a soft spot for Choi. I've been in Korea, I worked there and have a buddy. So he's just sort of a stud, right? He was a weightlifter, I think he was like a powerlifter before he became a golfer. But yeah, it was just so cool to see it. Really for me, it was more about seeing the pros play it after I'd walked the course and knew the course, right? And I think I watched two rounds and...

Matt Considine (22:01.166)
That's it.

George M (22:11.175)
And I'm like, what's happening like crazy to everybody, like doing almost like a sportscaster thing, right? You know, so was, was a lot of fun. And, and just that connection now that I have to, you know, the RODA, some of the open RODA courses and just Scotland in general is just, yeah, just totally opened up from my golfing perspective, you know.

Scott Ford (22:19.018)
Absolutely.

Matt Considine (22:28.181)
Let's take you.

Jay Searle (22:30.382)
Yeah, we had two, we had two majors right that year and the rotation, cause we had the senior, the senior open at Carnoustie then the women's open at the old course. So, you know, it was like a double whammy here of watching golf as soon as we got back stateside that you were just actively engaged because you remembered the shots that you hit on those courses. And it just, it's just such a pleasure to watch.

Matt Considine (22:54.252)
It's so like must watch TV after you've made those trips. totally like the Dunhill links was on in October and everyone in the pilgrimage was doing the same thing. Right. We all were watching, you know, and then we've had different rotations. So you guys can you see an old, old and Kings barns like getting able to see it, especially they get, they actually get elements around that time too. Right. And we all have and watching them do it. It's pretty fun. Jay, I'm to stick with you.

We're going to St. Andrews. It's the epicenter of golf in so many ways, the history, the pilgrimage for people from all walks of life. When did you realize it wasn't just, you know, going to be Scottish and American golfers partaking in the week? Was there a particular story from other parts of the world?

Jay Searle (23:46.703)
There might have been. so I think some of the folks, I think everybody in this group remembers this story, or at least I hope they do, because it was one of the fun sort of golf adjacent stories. But so it was our first day out and we're on the Eden course. And for those of you that have never played the Eden course, the fifth hole and the eighth hole are two par threes that are side by side, right? But they cross each other. So fifth holes on the left, left.

left T-box to right green and then eighth holes right T-box to left green. And so we had gone through five and we're coming back around eight and we're walking up the box. We look in the distance and there's this, we're assuming Korean couple, looks like husband and wife walking up to the fifth T-box. And they're starting to line up at the eighth green, not knowing that those are actually crossing holes, which is very common in St. Andrews for ReveLard.

Matt Considine (24:41.188)
Two unbelievable part threes, by the way, right?

Jay Searle (24:42.902)
Yeah, two unbelievable bar threes at that. Two very difficult par threes. And so the caddies are trying to wave them off and give them direction and point them in the right way. This probably went on for about a minute or so as we're walking up T-box. All of a sudden at a left field, George just starts speaking Korean to them and correcting them. And we all kind of looked at each other in silence. We just collectively, the four ball that we were with all just kind of stared at each other. And it was like, well,

Scott Ford (24:43.432)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Searle (25:11.852)
was George speaking Korean on your bingo card on this trip, because it definitely wasn't on mine.

Matt Considine (25:17.22)
George, you are one of the most fascinating people in New Club. Not everyone else on the call, but the other thing I heard from the trip, weren't you doing some yoga while there? Like how long until you felt like a local on this trip? You were partaking in yoga classes. You knew all the different coffee spots. I feel like you weren't coming back from this one.

Robert The Bruce (25:48.475)
glasses are off.

Matt Considine (25:49.176)
We may have lost George. George, think we're missing your audio somehow. It's a try log out, log in type of deal. We'll see.

Scott Ford (25:58.367)
Let me go on that. Let me weigh in there as George logs back in here real quick. I think looking back at the pilgrimage, he stayed longer than anybody else as well. He got there early and he left later. shout out to George's family for letting him do that because that guy had a perma smile the entire trip. And that's what, that's what the pilgrimage is all about. Right? It's the stories, it's the connections, but

George M (26:06.555)
you

Robert The Bruce (26:07.336)
yeah.

Jay Searle (26:18.967)
He did.

Scott Ford (26:27.356)
Man, he was like, it's like walking on clouds every single day. And that just, that spread to the group as well.

Chris (26:35.147)
Yeah, I think the true like just genuinely happy for everybody to be there and I'm using George. We'll just talk about him while he's not here. But you know, he he we all we got on the old and different days and I'm sure you'll talk about that, Matt and the experience. And so the day that the first wave of people got out, obviously it's going to be your best day of the trip, potentially the highlight of your golfing career at that point. And he had come off the course.

Matt Considine (26:43.577)
Ha

Chris (27:01.611)
and went over and basically was cheering everybody on coming down the 17th and 18th, generally just happy for us that we were able to experience it knowing that he's probably going to do it either the next day or the day after. But unbeknownst to him, you never know what happens in the lottery. And so I think I just it just says a lot about what that trip was, especially with a group of strangers, you know, immediately from day one. You're just excited to be there, excited to play golf, happy for everyone that's getting to experience this together, which.

is what I loved about the trip the most, especially with meeting all these new people for the most part, aside from Ford and Robert, who I know here from Atlanta.

Robert The Bruce (27:37.087)
Piggyback that Chris, he's not on George isn't back, but I believe he was also the last person to walk off of the old course as it would happen. So I remember being up in the old course, where we're going to eat dinner at the new club. I'm sorry. overlooking the old course number 18.

Jay Searle (27:50.22)
He was, yeah.

Scott Ford (27:51.71)
Mm-hmm.

Robert The Bruce (28:01.55)
And we were waiting on George. had a late tee time. The sun was setting. I've got plenty of photos. And so we spotted George out there knocking on the windows. He looks up and sees us and we're up there essentially reverse role there. So he was cheering us on. I was fortunate to be one of the lead groups out and George was the last group off. He sees us cheering, clapping as he's walking up 18 with the sun setting. I just, you know,

With Chris making that statement about the opening portion of the pilgrimage on the old course, I think it was fitting the way that things wrapped up for George out there.

Scott Ford (28:40.061)
Spot on, Robert, spot on.

Matt Considine (28:42.222)
Let's stick with the old course, the old grand lady, right? Jay, I'll go with you. Describe the feeling of arriving in St. Andrews and the old course is not guaranteed. That is one of the most, one of the first questions we get from all pilgrims is like, so guaranteed spot at the old, right? Like, of course that's what we want. It has become quite costly.

And kind of in the ethos, we've really struggled with this. Like we have opportunity through our friends, Andy and Graham and others. Like we could get the guaranteed times, but it becomes what I would say unattainable for so many. And I think if we're going to have eight people go every single year, we want it to be a spread across our membership, not just, you know, the highest earner, not just the one that has been saving for years to do it. We want it to be in that reasonable, you know, price range, unless you're Robert the Bruce and you're-

obviously blown whatever you got for lay down seats. That was always important to us, but I totally understand that feeling, because I've done it the last three times I've been there. I have no certainty that I'll be playing the old. Now everybody did and we'll get to that, but Jay, I want you to start us off. Like, what's that feel like?

Jay Searle (29:39.896)
You

Jay Searle (29:59.839)
definitely anxious, right? Because you, you've planned this trip and you've, you've, know, that is the, the mountain top you're trying to climb. Right. It's the reason why everybody goes, it's, it's, it's just, you want to make sure you give yourself every opportunity to get out of that course. And I'd say that's one thing Andy and Graham do a fantastic job of really, they know how to work the system.

and make sure to maximize your potential playing opportunities. think, you know, we were fortunate that a couple guys balloted right on the first day. had a four ball with new club guys and then Scott, I think you were able to go out solo through a singles ballot. And that really just left George, myself and Jeff as sort of the last ones continuing to work through the ballot process throughout the week. And I'd say, you know,

Scott Ford (30:39.876)
I was. I was.

Jay Searle (30:54.03)
The day that George and I and Jeff got on, it was a long day of standing around, standing around waiting in that starter shack for that opportunity. mean, you know, for, those of you, you don't know, you get on the singles queue, you get a, you get a number and that number keeps moving down. You check it through texts throughout the day. And, um, I was low enough in the, in the queue that, that, you know, Andy calls me up and says, get your stuff ready. We're going to go, we're going to get you out today.

I think it was down into the single digits. but it really is kind of touch and go. And so I'll give you an example. It's like, I was the lowest number in the room when a tech tee time opened up 10 minutes before. And I was pulling out my credit card. was like 10 o'clock in the morning, pulling out my credit card to pay. And all of a sudden they waved me off like, no, the guy's running to the box for his tee time. And I'm like, great. So, so, and then George, you know, finally I was able to get a time.

George M (31:24.884)
you

George M (31:42.868)
Thank

Robert The Bruce (31:45.908)
you

Matt Considine (31:45.92)
Unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah.

Jay Searle (31:50.701)
like a guarantee time at like 5 p.m. I think I got my final time. But George was still waiting there, I think, till about 4.30 in the afternoon to finally know whether he was gonna get out. And luckily Andy and Graham pulled some strings for us and actually got us together in a four ball with actually some other members of the new club of St. Andrews. And so it was just kind of, it's part of the experience. mean, you're anxious, it's anxiety, but part of the fun is sitting there and actually,

watching everybody get off and rooting for other people to get off of, know, George, were, you and I made friends with a gentleman from Australia who was the last man that got a tee time that day before the dark, before the dark times came out and you weren't guaranteed to finish. And I think, you know, that was some great conversation and just some camaraderie there. And, you know, you're, you're on one tee box and you see him in the tee box behind you and you guys are high fiving each other and just like, just happy for them to get out there. So, I mean, it's just an amazing experience.

George M (32:29.342)
He was,

George M (32:37.46)
Yeah.

Matt Considine (32:47.79)
George, what was that night like? So you get done, where's everybody at? Yeah, yeah, when you got done. No, no, no, your old course round.

George M (32:54.302)
When we finished that day, my first round, well.

My, so my old course round, yeah, I got a number that might've been nine higher than Jay, right? And so we're, you know, and that was after Pam, your car news today. So yeah, happy to have a little bit of a break Wednesday morning. And that was such a big day. I didn't even think about the old course of getting on, right? Even though I was the last man. Well, ended up being the last man on, but, so I reported, you know, to the starter shack there and Andy and Graham were there and,

Yeah, it was just a cool, it was really cool. Cause I think what I liked about it was that maybe this would have been the same with the overnight thing where people can sleep out at the starter shack. Cause this was the first year where they got rid of that.

Matt Considine (33:38.274)
Yeah, this was a, you guys were one of the earliest groups to do the whole new online system, correct? And there was glitches I heard.

George M (33:44.786)
Yeah, yeah. But it worked out well for us, like I said, and I think I came back at two and yeah, we met this cool guy from Melbourne, young guy, he was with his family and he had sort of come up from England from the family trip to try to sneak in around on the old course. And he was just behind me number wise, right? And so was so cool was that...

Chris (33:45.953)
Yeah.

George M (34:11.474)
Yeah, and we got to see Andy and Graham work their magic, Like that five o'clock time that Jay was in was a new club member, Jim is his name, and then he had a guest with him from Liverpool, from Royal Hoylake actually. And so they just were able to set that up with the starter that Jay and I played together with the new club member and his guest. And then we're getting ready, paying, and I look out on the T-box as we get out and our Melbourne friend.

Jay Searle (34:23.0)
Hey.

George M (34:40.308)
is on the tee box getting his picture taken, before we even teed off. And that was just such a cool moment. I got a picture of him sort of grinning there, and just so that feeling. And then we go out on the course and there's so many cool things about that round. This trip was expensive for me probably because I had caddies for almost like 85 % of my rounds, right? I think I poured a little.

Matt Considine (34:46.85)
Yeah, that's amazing.

Matt Considine (35:09.401)
And you lived there for three months, George. And you lived there for three months.

Jay Searle (35:09.678)
You did.

Scott Ford (35:09.754)
Yeah.

George M (35:09.812)
That is economy. Sorry.

Robert The Bruce (35:11.432)
Yeah.

George M (35:13.768)
Right. And what was so cool is that the caddy that I had at the Eden course, which was random, he had a Bass Pro Shops hat on and he was a real nice young guy. I said, hey, want to caddy for me in my old course round, right? Well, the new club guys guest from Hoylake pulls out this hickory driver and he's hitting it, you know, throughout the round. Right. And I'm like, I know a guy who does hickories, you know, and

And it turned out that he had caddied and knew Greg Thompson from Kenosha. Yeah. And I'm like, I know Greg, you know, that's the guy I'm talking about, you know, and, and Robert and Scott had been with him. Just a great guy. And he gave me a lot of advice on this trip. Right. So there was just that sort of serendipity there. I was holding putts from all over the place. I, I made a Sandy on the road hole, believe it or not. I mean, just can't make this stuff up. Right. And then.

Matt Considine (35:46.808)
Yeah, another new club member and friend,

Scott Ford (35:49.474)
alumni.

George M (36:11.57)
Yeah, so that was amazing. know, I think having that and just the experience of playing links golf, St. Andrews, where you the outward nine, you learn why it's not word nine. You're leaving town, right? Making your way out to the, in this case, the estuary, right up to the Eden estuary. And then you turn around and come back. And as you get closer.

to town, town grows, the buildings get bigger, right? And you're coming back to town. And that was such a surreal feeling for me. You know, I hadn't played links golf and just that feeling of, you know, leaving town, coming back to town. And it was late. I mean, it was like 9 30 when we finished. and yeah, it was just amazing getting the pictures on this Wilkin bridge. And then the last piece I'll say here is that during the round, I had put in for the ballot for the next day, right? Because we didn't know if I was going to be able to play.

that day. Well, during that round, I get a tee time. And Jay and I, know, pop over, we're at the Adamson restaurant, right? We meet all you guys over there and I'm like, yeah, look at this. I got a tee time for tomorrow. I'm not sure if I should do it. And Brian like grabs my phone out of my hand and says, accept, accept.

Robert The Bruce (37:05.084)
Heh heh heh!

Jay Searle (37:06.04)
Yeah.

Robert The Bruce (37:21.755)
Yeah.

Jay Searle (37:22.306)
Yeah.

George M (37:23.476)
So that was just, know, I missed out on the Hickories, Kingaric, the competition, but I got to play and have another amazing experience on the old course after that. So yeah, what an amazing gift to go on this trip and have that experience. So I thank you, Matt, you know, just for, you know, the founding of this club. And, know, I tell people, like, what's a new club? I said, well, there's this guy and he had this experience and just a super, there we go.

Scott Ford (37:24.601)
See ya.

Matt Considine (37:35.043)
My-

Robert The Bruce (37:42.74)
.

Matt Considine (37:51.704)
Yeah, it wouldn't exist without that, what you just described. And I'm curious about the old chorus specifically. So maybe this is broader question, but my friend Ronnie Denny, first captain, I really became friends with at the new golf club, St. Andrews. I got to play with them in a similar hour to you, George. And I remember us standing kind of back near the estuary, probably in like nine or 10, and him, we were just talking about the chorus, I was talking about.

My streak of bogeys I was on and he said something like, what's amazing about this course is it's just an endless teacher. There's always a lesson to be learned. And that you could see he was saying it from a very deep place. Like, there's never a time he doesn't learn something from a spin around that place. so that's my broader question for the group. Is there like a lesson that you took or something that the old courts taught you that no other course really has maybe?

ever or since?

Scott Ford (38:53.209)
bad if you think about it, Robert and I had opportunity to go over 19. So we went over before the pilgrimage and we had the chance to play, Mirfield and I'll never forget this. And this is the story I tell about Scotland, about the old course and about the experience as we're walking out. Never one fairway in Mirfield about to start the game. Caddy's look back at us and say, folks tell us, tell us your rotation. Where are you playing? What's, what do you have on?

on the agenda. We run through it and he said, and this stuck with me forever, there's only one thing you need to know about the old course and that is there's better golf in Scotland than the old course. There's no better experience in golf than the old course and that really stuck with me, right? It is, you know, to Ronnie's point, right? You learn something. It's the, it's the always teaching, always learning thing, but

As I've had the opportunity to play in and around Scotland with these guys and others, it really is. It is hands down one of the best experiences, not only in Scotland, but I really do believe in all of golf.

Matt Considine (40:04.88)
Now, on, Scott, hold on, buddy. Are you saying the old course and the experience of the old course is better than Ely House Golf Club? you, I mean, you are, I feel like you're on retainer with Ely over the last few years. That's all you talk about is Ely.

Chris (40:09.953)
No.

Jay Searle (40:13.856)
You

Robert The Bruce (40:14.516)
Thank

Scott Ford (40:16.183)
BANG!

Scott Ford (40:21.088)
Ailey would be a close second. I'm just kidding. They each hold a special place in our hearts when we go and do these things. But really it is. There's better golf than walking around the old course out and back. But there's no better experience in all of golf. And I believe that.

George M (40:39.444)
you

Matt Considine (40:42.818)
Anybody else have old course lesson thought or lasting memory of it?

Robert The Bruce (40:47.752)
Yeah, I think I learned a lesson from Andy and some locals as I approached 18 Scott, Todd, a few others here locally because of my name, Robert the Bruce called me King Wedge. I can be sometimes pretty deadly with a wedge. So my approach fell short on my 18th hole. So I found myself in the valley of sin and

Tight lies, I love them. I don't like mushy turf. So I pull out my 58 degree wedge and quite frankly, I stick it to maybe two feet. It was perfect. And I'm met with like a roar of booze and all sorts of things. And then Andy pulls me aside after I wrapped the hole up. He actually walks down onto the green. Yeah, I made the putt. But the reality I was met with is that

George M (41:29.46)
Wow.

Matt Considine (41:39.428)
Did you make, you made the putt? Of course he did. Of course. Okay.

Scott Ford (41:41.175)
Of course you did.

Robert The Bruce (41:46.525)
You don't do that in Scotland. So the perspective, I guess, of how I would traditionally approach a short shot into a green, it's not the same perspective held locally.

Matt Considine (42:01.448)
You disrespected. You didn't do the proper shot. There's a proper shot and you didn't take it. Hey, do your thing. That is...

Chris (42:03.646)
Thank

George M (42:07.784)
They know their golf. They know their golf in Scotland. That's a great shot because I think that's how Bobby Jones won his open was a shot from the Valley of Sin knocked dead and then little different response for him. I think the town stormed the green and carried him out on their shoulders.

Robert The Bruce (42:10.302)
Yeah.

Matt Considine (42:10.402)
Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

Chris (42:23.907)
Thank

Robert The Bruce (42:25.628)
Right?

Scott Ford (42:27.511)
We had to hold back the crowds there for Robert. King Robert the Wedge is what we refer to him as.

Matt Considine (42:27.652)
So we got.

Chris (42:33.443)
Well, that's why you just hit the green and regulation. So come on.

Scott Ford (42:37.609)
hahahaha

Jay Searle (42:38.51)
Thank

Robert The Bruce (42:38.612)
I'm not that good. That's why my wedges are so good.

Matt Considine (42:42.98)
Chris, you alluded to it in your first response. You're a vibes guy. I've always appreciated that about you, Chris. You really are just a fantastic person to play golf with. I feel like as I've aged, I've noticed the people that get a lot out of the game in different ways. And maybe one of my favorite versions of that are folks that really enjoy the characters around them and the people.

that they're meeting and playing with. And it's not just about the shot. It's not just about the course. It's also about, you know, the, those stories. I'm wondering, you know, was there a particular outside of this group? know you can tell plenty of stories about this group, but a particular caddy or a particular person at the pub that you connected with through your travel that, stands out.

Robert The Bruce (43:34.706)
or a hotel.

Chris (43:35.16)
Well, I was lucky. Yeah, I was lucky. Like whole three day one eating course. I asked my caddy, what are you doing for the rest of the week? And so we hung out the entirety of the time minus one course because he had some family obligations, ended up exchanging and sharing head covers afterwards because he kept on staring at my driver head cover, which had zero sentimental value to me. But he seemed to have loved it. I'm like, this is yours. Let's do something. So I think just

Yeah, just meeting like those kind of people who live and breathe the game there. And, you know, they're constantly surrounded by people like us, you know, short term tourists who are there with all of like the happiness and joy in the world. And they get to share that in, but they can still be their authentic self and just having a time with you. So I really enjoy just kind of, you know, talking with him, swapping stories about the people he's seen through there through the years.

So yeah, that was really great. I think just the, you know, aside from that, it was actually the town itself and people I didn't even meet. You know, we have some small areas in the States and Piners comes to mind where when you're down there, you can tell it's just, you know, a lot of golfers, but you're not just seeing people walking with their bags back to their hotel to and from. just the identity of the town was kind of like the, you know, the fifth character of our foursome for lack of a better way of describing it that just

Really made it fun going to get a plane after the round, seeing people kind of come and go and it's just all things golf all the time. And that's cool feeling to see, experience and to be part of.

Scott Ford (45:04.757)
Yeah.

Matt Considine (45:17.508)
That's so well said. That town is absolutely the fourth member. it's why, it's why, you know, we, I know we talked about it before the show. We made this adjustment where we want people that went on the pilgrimage to go back. You know, part of it was the old course and the realization that man, that place is not meant to play once. That place is meant to play as many times. And if we have this standing, you know, opportunity to go, why, why wouldn't we allow our members to go? That was one factor of it.

the other one is what you're saying. think Chris is like St. Andrew's in the fabric of golf in that town. Like just being amongst it is, is so cool. And, and that's a big part of the bringing back. know in my letter I talked about, was like, bring it back. I think that's part of it. It doesn't have to be this, you know, thing we always put on the pedestal. It can just operate within the fabric of everyday life. And that's what, whether you're a visitor.

or a 40 year resident of town, they do that so well in this like incredible symphony with seven links courses and eight local clubs and thousands of visitors. And you just feel it. You feel it so much. I, you you can always talk about golf, like everyone in St. Andrew's feels to have like a golf acumen that's extremely high. So you can just talk golf all day long. But I've found myself talking about everything non-golf in that town because golf is the vehicle to lead to.

all the other things we share in common as people, know? You said it so well, Chris, thank you. That's such a good reflection. You guys are also the first pilgrimage. Pilgrimage One didn't do this. And we were a little bummed because the design of the five to six days, it's been five or six, is not that we can't fill more golf. Scott would play four days in a row at Ely if he could, right? We would line that up for him. But the point of it was always,

Scott Ford (47:08.889)
Matt Considine (47:12.932)
the endless supply of this really meaningful golf, not just in Fife and St. Andrews, but in North Berwick, in the Highlands, over in Ayrshire, trunes of the world. there's, you know, go all the way up to Makkahanish in that area. There's just endless added trips. And so what we took was our original trip, which was 10 or 11 days, we said, no, no, no, we're gonna cut it in half and we're gonna focus that on the home of golf, the place that we know.

everybody needs to get to in their lifetime or multiple times and then give you that opportunity. So you guys seize that opportunity in a variety of different ways. So I do want to ask front end, back end, Scott, we'll start with you. What did you choose and give us maybe a story from there.

Scott Ford (48:03.731)
Wow, so Robert is obviously one of my international travel buddies for sure and we've had the chance to go over there a few times and we needed to go see the Highlands, right? So we had this great rotation planned up. It was gonna be Robert, Todd Smith and myself. And then someone reaches out, hey, can I jump in with you? And it was George. We knew that he was a member of New Club. We had never met him, hadn't really talked to him.

Robert The Bruce (48:20.435)
George.

George M (48:28.018)
Yeah.

Scott Ford (48:32.467)
But going back to the reference to Greg Thompson, Greg said, yeah, he's a good guy. He's good people. It's like, come on, man, join us. So with the help of the group, we put together a trip up to the highlands and those three boys, they made it out of the States. No, no issues. I was getting ready to board my flight out of New York. They canceled it. So I was going to miss that first day of the, of the trip. And Robert, keep me honest, George, it was Cruden Bay, correct?

George M (49:02.696)
Yep. Yep. Welcome Ford Forsum. I felt bad you weren't there. Yep.

Robert The Bruce (49:03.528)
Yeah, you missed a good one.

Scott Ford (49:05.327)
Okay. Yeah. So they had a chance to go play crude. Yeah. So we, uh, they went and played, had a big old time. I rebooked a flight, got over there the next day and met them up and, um, speaking to the culture of golf in Scotland, right? So, um, panic scrambled called door knock the next day and said, listen, we had a travel emergency. Can you help us out? No problem.

They moved our tee times to later in the day to accommodate us. So we drove up to the Highlands. Well, actually Todd and George did. I, Robert and I slept in the, in the back of the little station wagon with all the clubs and luggage and everything there. So get up to Doernach, experienced Doernach. Absolutely might possibly be one of the best golf courses we've ever seen. Just start to finish great experience there as well. Hung out there overnight and then, you know, kind of tying into the run hard.

part of the trip. We get up, drive north to go play borough and the electric fence and the highland cows and the sheeps and the dogs and all that running across there. Just a great experience. But wait, there's more. We then decide to get into the car and drive all the way to Nairn and go play Nairn. Pull in like 15, 20 minutes before our tee time and get out about the third or fourth hole and you can just see it coming across the bay.

this massive rainstorm and we get absolutely soaked. Soaked to the core, right? But still, George, PermaSmile having a great time, Todd and Robert just trudging along and I'm just happy to go lucky. Just glad to be there, right? So we get out, get dried up. Now here's where it gets interesting. We drive all the way back into Edinburgh from there.

I'm going pause there, let you look on a map, and see how far that is.

Matt Considine (51:02.102)
Yeah, I'm glad you're not in charge of logistics at AT &T, Scott, because I don't think my cell phone reception would be working right now. That is, that's impossible. you like, let's just go back to your battery. You just push forward. You do.

Robert The Bruce (51:05.116)
Yes.

Scott Ford (51:05.427)
Hahaha!

Jay Searle (51:06.861)
You

Chris (51:06.989)
Yeah.

Scott Ford (51:10.086)
UGH!

Scott Ford (51:16.764)
That's all we did. Stopped it, got some pizza, loaded up, made sure that Todd and George had what they needed in the front seat. Robert and I, we held the luggage. We had it secured and we woke up pulling into the hotel in EDI saying, that wasn't that bad. Three and a half hours later.

Matt Considine (51:37.42)
and easier.

George M (51:38.228)
I think it was one or two in the morning when we got back to EDI ready to go for the pilgrimage the next morning.

Scott Ford (51:41.571)
Yeah, that's right.

Matt Considine (51:44.76)
Just bright-eyed and bushy-tailed.

Robert The Bruce (51:45.064)
He's also leaving out a rounded cradle within all of that as well.

Matt Considine (51:49.944)
That's right. So there's a couple of courses we didn't talk about on your guys' roadie yet. I would love to get to it. Well, let's go stick with the additional golf ones. Did anyone make it to North Baric? We've been big proponents because it's an easier logistical add on than what you took on Scott. Did anyone make it to North Baric on this one?

Robert The Bruce (52:06.302)
Not this trip.

George M (52:06.665)
Yeah, can you hear me? Am I on here? Okay, yeah, I was lucky. You know, I really wanted to do the Highlands piece at the beginning. So I was so happy when Scott's like, yeah, we're three, please join, you know, cause Dornick was just the place I wanted to go to. And I wore my, I wore my Dune shirt there cause I heard about how much Kaiser loved Dornick and how it impacted him and the whole band and story. But I was lucky, think, you know, initially I hadn't planned so much time at the beginning.

Scott Ford (52:07.365)
No. Yep.

Matt Considine (52:08.344)
Yes, we got you, George.

George M (52:34.676)
before the pilgrimage. And so I just said, I want to definitely go. And I heard about East Lothia and I heard about North Barrick. And I said, I'm just going to do that after the pilgrimage, right? So I ended up staying in Gullen and stayed at the Bonnie Badger for the first three nights. Probably stayed there the whole six. And there was another one called the Watchmen, which looks out over the green to the Gullen two and three clubhouse. And I spent

So I was in Gullen the whole time and it was to play North Baric and Greg Thompson again said, yeah, I use this guy, Frank Ahern as my caddy. And I reached out to Frank and was able to get him. And that was the Sunday after the pilgrimage. So Jay and I had played Ely and on Saturday made it to Gullen. And then I planned, said, I need a 36 day.

So I'm going to play North Barracks East Lynx in the morning, which is the Glen club. And then I had it got an afternoon time. Luckily there was like one half visitor time available and I got that in the afternoon and I had Frank for the whole 36 day. said, Hey, can you caddy for me the entire day? And that was also Scottish open Sunday, the week before the open. And so a great day. I ended up being paired with three sports writers who had just got into town to go to Trune.

later that week. And one guy had, I think he had covered 120 majors straight, writer. And another guy was like, you're from Victor, Idaho, we used to live in Idaho Falls, know, and so we just had this connection as we were playing. One guy was from Toronto, he's a Canadian writer. So that was the Glenn in the morning. And, and Frank's like, okay, you know, go to the clubhouse in North Barrett, get a quick lunch, and come on out and we'll.

Matt Considine (54:08.772)
Cheers.

George M (54:29.62)
play North Berwick, right? And, well, I decided I need a Sunday. I need an ice cream Sunday, right? So have the Sunday and it get a little bit tight on time and, know, North Berwick's a little more serious, right? So we get on the first tee and I duffed my hybrid and Frank's like, oh my God, you know, you shouldn't be eating Sunday at lunch before a round at North Berwick. But I ended up, I think I ended up getting up and down for par. it was, North Berwick was amazing. I mean, it was just so cool.

Matt Considine (54:54.276)
you

George M (54:59.016)
I was playing really well at the end of the front nine. And what was fun there was I was playing with like three guys, two brothers and some guy and his wife was walking along with, and they were like on their first round and they were playing North Baric for their first round. And North Baric's tricky, right? And you gotta, you can't be too wild, right? And these guys are, I can sort of see they're going through their Scottish initiation of Lynx golf and.

Scott Ford (55:23.952)
Yeah.

George M (55:25.852)
Yeah, I just love that round. mean, I remember playing the pit and I didn't play it very well. I a drive out to the right and then I hit something really close to the wall and Frank's like, I think you're going to break your club if you try that shot. And we got that one behind us and I loved the Radan and then the other one that's almost like a B of Ritz, but it's not. It's sort of like a B of Ritz on acid. Like it's turned and it's got all these funky and...

I think I made a nice up and down for bogey on that one after going over the green. And then the 18th hole at Barrick, it's a short par four and the major hazard is trying not to hit the cars that are parked on the right side. And it's pretty funny because there's always a stretch of parking spaces on the right that aren't taken. And there's a reason people don't park there. And I almost parked there because I didn't know where to park. yeah, North Barrick was amazing, right? That was an amazing one.

Very happy to play that one. then, yeah, I ended up spending almost a week in East Lothian and just loved it. I stumbled on Kill Spindy one night. anyway, I don't want to take up so much time.

Matt Considine (56:36.78)
No, no, it's, it's, it's a good, reminder. think that like, can go the full Monte and push like Scott, but there is this, you know, relatively shorter, you can stay in Edinburgh even, you can stay at the airport even and get to, but you can take the train out. And I think because, you know, we didn't want it to be official, part of it. Cause we want, again, try to keep that, focus in on.

George M (56:52.542)
Sure, yes.

Matt Considine (57:05.668)
St. Andrews and the traditions that we've kind of developed around this. But yeah, like your experience here, George is very illustrative of what you can do on top of the pilgrimage, which I love. All right. got, I'm going to ask for extra time. If you guys do have to drop, no, no worries whatsoever. Um, but there was Ian O'Brien, uh, who wasn't able to make it with us. He's our West coast addition to this group, uh, out of Seattle, Washington, but he's actually in Charleston, South Carolina playing golf right now. said,

Jay Searle (57:16.995)
Yeah.

Matt Considine (57:35.416)
Hey buddy, you can hit shots with EarPods and you know, but he sent his best and he did say he every day I think about the Jim Nance video. And I actually forgot about it. It might be the most viral moment in Adamson Link's history, that's Andy and Graham's tour operation and New Club's share of it was the same deal.

Chris (57:38.563)
You

Jay Searle (57:47.667)
yeah.

Matt Considine (58:04.1)
Can somebody tell me what the hell happened? Were you guys there when that happened or was it, what took place for that to occur?

Chris (58:16.716)
I think it was just Andy, like you said, you're walking down the street adjacent to St. Andrews and broadcast Hall of Famer, CBS, great Nances there. And he took his shot and yeah, gave us a little 30 second shout out and attaboys to the, to the winning team. And, I mean, think that's more or less how it, how it went down, right? I mean, he was just sort of there and I, I know I wasn't around.

Jay Searle (58:42.109)
Yeah

George M (58:42.162)
Yeah, was in front of the art.

Chris (58:44.854)
I wasn't around. mean, I think he was just sort of doing his thing in between whatever we had going on with our schedules that day. And then it just popped up into the chat.

Jay Searle (58:54.208)
Yeah, I think what happened is they had gone over to the engraver for the cup for the Hickory Day to put the winning team on it for our dinner that evening. And they just happened to be passing, know, crossing paths right in of the RNA. And I think somebody just said to Andy, let's give it a shot. And I guess they totally gave him the right to say no, which you should do. And then with no warning, no.

preamble nothing. He goes, I've got this. And then he just went right into broadcaster mode and just presented the cup to Andy. It was the second highest honor for trophy presentation next to presenting the green jacket. Just straight into character. I still have it saved on my phone. I show it to people all the time. I think it's hilarious.

Chris (59:40.644)
You

Scott Ford (59:42.159)
Spot on.

Matt Considine (59:42.436)
it

Chris (59:43.492)
Looks good.

Robert The Bruce (59:45.076)
Thank

Matt Considine (59:45.458)
yeah. Well, and that's, he is such a pro for him to do that. One is very gracious and kind because he's probably getting ready for his tea time on the old, but for him to step in with such certainty and nailing every element of it, you know, the Hickory goblet, the, the new club Hickory matches, I'm blowing the cover on that, but actually we announced that the Hickory matches are now an official part of the pilgrimage. You guys, think might've been.

Scott Ford (59:47.256)
Yeah.

Matt Considine (01:00:14.39)
one of their early tests on it too, but so cool. Such a cool moment.

Robert The Bruce (01:00:20.552)
Yeah, Matt, like for future groups and our group alike that the Hickory was the one that match actually burned in my memory bank. that one, as Scott has said, we've been fortunate enough to go over to Scotland a few times. We played a lot of courses, world renowned courses, tons of history. but for me, the Hickory round, nine holes there with the group that we had, know

Chris was in my group. had drinks out there. I'd never really touched Hickories or played with them before. I was made aware that someone in our group kind of caught wind in advance of our trip and was practicing with Hickories. I won't state their name, but he is a travel partner of mine. So kind of had to make it a mission to not let him win at Hickories.

the group that we had, pay homage to Andy, we were the Old Toms and on that goblet is Old Toms' goblet. So I think, I don't know what his history is there, but we did retain that cup, I believe. I know we didn't win the entire.

Matt Considine (01:01:39.542)
I think it's two in one. think he's got a, he has a winning record on the Hickories for sure. There's definitely a brand there.

Robert The Bruce (01:01:43.325)
So at least we've got them there, but no, that was phenomenal. That was a great surprise for myself. It was just, the group was perfect. Just the total experience for me was phenomenal. So the old course, not to take away from the other courses, but that one's not to be missed.

George M (01:01:44.724)
Live love it.

Scott Ford (01:02:05.258)
Yeah, Matt, if you could have seen if you could have seen Andy's face when we were driving out to King Garrett talking about so have any of y'all ever played Hickory's and I look at him I go, yeah, I've got my own set. I'll play him about once a month. The just the are you serious? Look, it came over his face. He's like, who is this guy? But Robert.

Matt Considine (01:02:05.55)
You know, it's because.

Matt Considine (01:02:26.456)
Andy's

Jay Searle (01:02:26.563)
Did.

Chris (01:02:26.635)
It was an eye roll, legendary. Yeah, it was more of an eye roll, but yes, it was there.

George M (01:02:30.376)
Yeah.

Scott Ford (01:02:30.474)
Hahaha!

Matt Considine (01:02:31.236)
Andy's met some golf sickos through all this for sure. I don't know if anyone's talked to you, Scott, and the level at which you operate. Speaking of things that maybe get overlooked, I think we've touched on pretty much every course. One thing that emerged, it's so funny, the feedback, and we do sincerely, especially now that we've opened up the pilgrimage to multiple.

Robert The Bruce (01:02:31.922)
Hahaha

Jay Searle (01:02:31.95)
Yeah.

George M (01:02:39.422)
Right, yeah.

Matt Considine (01:03:00.852)
Being able go again, you know, having a standing invitation to go to the home of golf. We know that comes with some expectation and pressure to keep it fresh and not let any pilgrimage be exactly like the one before it. And you guys really helped us set that tone for adjustments. One being a little bit to do with the lottery system and how that's changed, but one being the double header of Panmuring Carnoosti, the, you know, a gauntlet and you guys caught it on a rough weather day. That just...

It can suck the life out of you. So we've made some, some adjustments, to that. You know, the one thing though, that we talked about the eating course and that opening round that has stayed fairly consistent, but I feel like the new course Jubilee, they don't get the love that they always, should in my mind. Obviously they're in the shadow of the old, they're right next to it. And that's, gonna be a challenge in itself, but maybe I'll, I'll wrap the closing dinner.

into this and let's see who we're gonna float to. We'll start with you, George Meier. What I love about the end there is, you know, those courses aren't on everybody's list, but they're very illustrative of what I believe is the truth, which is, you know, meaningful golf

and communities around it, they're not meant to be flashy or exclusive or anything. They're actually meant to be fairly normal in the way they present and operate. And that doesn't make them any less engaging or compelling. But I think those courses, along with our friends at the New Golf Club, which obviously Andy and Graham have been past captains, they host that closing dinner for us.

and it's intended to just put a bow on that whole week in town in St. Andrews. So I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts on those last couple days as you're departing and specifically who took the honor of saying a few words at dinner. And then I want to hear the rating for that toast from everybody else, but I'll start with you, George.

George M (01:05:06.056)
Mm-hmm.

George M (01:05:22.784)
see. Yeah, the day of the closing dinner. So I think it was, we had maybe a final match at the Jubilee that morning. And, and then I think King Eric was, was it in the afternoon for everyone? Is that right? Minus me, because I had a repeat on the old course that day and that was given a reprieve on that one. So I just made sure I had, know, I had my jacket, what I needed at the new nuke.

Matt Considine (01:05:43.524)
Hard to pass that up. Hard to.

George M (01:05:51.977)
golf club, clubhouse, right? And so that was a special, special day. I, you know, I missed out on the Hickories. I've got some Hickory clubs sitting in the closet next door, but I have not swung them yet. So I've yet to experience that. But yeah, I had a nice, fantastic, you know, day on the old course. I liked the, the, match on the Jubilee. And when we're doing matches that, that brings, you know, it doesn't have to be like the ultimate course, right? And it's sort of like,

If you think about it, you know, maybe the whole week is like a big dinner, right? And you can't eat, you know, cake for every course, right? So there's a, you know, there's an ebb and flow. And I think the Eden being the first course on arrival was great. And then also the Jubilee. I liked, I liked that, you know, in the morning, fun to have a match. I had a really cool caddy that day. My

Duncan, gave Duncan a break because he had, did the old course two days in a row for me. And then I got a guy who was like a butcher. think he had been a butcher or something like a big, you know, meaty arms and you know, bald with a beard and he's just fricking awesome. He was great. And I think I played Todd and I just had a great match. So yeah, I think, you know, not having, doesn't have to be the ultimate every time. think Andy Johnson and you talked about Matt one time, like I wouldn't play the old course every day.

right, or you know, these kinds of courses every day. But the dinner was great. You know, I think I was coming in on 18. It was a clearer day. There was more sun, more color, twilight colors on the course as I came in. And I look up in the second floor of the clubhouse and everyone's, know, cheering me on from the clubhouse, which is just a phenomenal feeling. You know, it was awesome. Yeah, I think I played with a guy. I think he had worked on the Greens crew at Oakmont.

and he had sort of burned out. was in his early 30s and he had two buddies with him. So they were doing their old course things. That was a lot of fun. It was a different cast of characters for the round. And then I jumped into the dinner, got slotted in with them. yeah, I remember talking, I think for me talking about, I did a few words, probably not very memorable, but for me it was important because I was the first.

George M (01:08:12.981)
man in person in my family to go to Scotland to golf. My grandfather golfed. There's a bag towel from the Masters that I grew up with in the house. So I knew my grandfather had gone and my dad never really had the chance. He didn't do it, but he loved golf. mean, my dad was awesome. He gave me this gift of appreciation of the game. So I think I really paid homage to my dad and the new club too, because I wouldn't have had the chance.

I was a little bit lukewarm about going to play links golf in Scotland, know, and then, you know, fortuitously, I mentioned it to my wife and she's like, you gotta go, right? This is a special opportunity. And, and you know, I think the trip ballooned into this three week Odyssey. I think, you know, there's my father-in-law had heart surgery and we had like a septic disaster at our house. So was like perfect storm, right? And I may never be going back to Scotland, but that's okay. Cause this trip was so amazing. But,

Matt Considine (01:09:07.524)
Ha!

Never say never, George. Never say never.

George M (01:09:11.548)
No, of course. No, I mean, it's in me. It's in me. was, you know, already talking with Greg about going back last September. that was little too soon.

Matt Considine (01:09:20.132)
Anything else from, no, know. Thank you, George. It's, it's exceptionally, there is like a deeper why I think for so many of us as golfers, you just nailed on yours. Anybody else, did anything else come out at dinner? We've heard stories from crew one that.

George M (01:09:21.039)
Go ahead everybody else, yeah.

Jay Searle (01:09:35.183)
Not, not so much a dinner, but I do remember, you know, you're right. The Jubilee and the new course don't get enough love. And Scott and I were playing on the Jubilee that last day. Um, and I just remember a very casual impromptu conversation, Scott, you and I had on one of the holes where it like, once you go to Scotland and come back, you're a changed golfer. Your relationship with golf is never the same as it was before. And I, I really do feel like my perspective on.

Like good golf courses versus bad golf courses, how I play the game, how I approach the game is just so remarkably different since I came back States side than it was when I got there. And I'd say my enjoyment of the game has grown to where I embrace the ground game now. And I have more fun, you know, trying to hit the ball as far as I can or, or, you know, these towering, you know, high spinning shots into greens. You know, I like, actually like to play the bump and run now. And it's just, it's just like.

The creativity just comes out of you once you leave there. And so I say, yeah.

Scott Ford (01:10:37.33)
Jay, spot on there, man. You're a changed person, a better appreciation of the game, and I believe a better steward of it as well. Taking those best practices and those feelings and bringing them over here and sharing them when you can with others because we all know golf in the States is completely different than golf in Scotland. And there's a place for both of them. We're not saying one's right or wrong, but for those that have made the journey overseas and especially to Scotland.

Chris (01:10:39.181)
it.

Scott Ford (01:11:07.098)
and into St. Andrews. It just, it hits differently. It absolutely hits different.

Matt Considine (01:11:13.036)
That kinda-

Chris (01:11:13.047)
Yeah, and your respect for just grips, weather apparel. Yeah, don't take that for granted anymore. Need to make some wiser decisions when cleaning those grips when that weather comes in. So I took that away from the trip of playing in the different conditions.

Matt Considine (01:11:33.378)
That is, that's a big factor, especially for you Southern guys. The Atlanta chapter needed some, you you guys talk about rainstorms or let's try some wind, some sleep, baby. Let's get some real stuff. that kind of takes me to the last place I want to end. I got one, I broke up some questions, one question for you to take us on out, but I, I don't think these are about nostalgia. Actually. I was trying to think why, do these sessions matter where we look back,

you know, we should always be looking forward, right? And what's next? And that is true. But I think why it matters is to what the last two points were. There is a transformation that happens. This is very transformative for not just me, not just you, but for thousands of golfers who are on a journey in this game. Kevin and I on the podcast always use the metaphor of golf reflects life or life reflects golf, but it's true. It's true. And it is growth. And so I think that's what it's about. So just some more.

Thoughtful questions to kind of take us out. I'll start with the first one, George. Is there a habit, a belief or a perspective about golf that came home with you?

Robert The Bruce (01:12:42.927)
Thank

George M (01:12:48.596)
I think.

George M (01:12:56.062)
Well, it it blew my appreciation for golf and land. And I think the community that's involved in golf in Scotland really impacted me. I think having the connection with New Club, think also really made that even more special, right? Like I'll just throw a quick shout out to Kevin, the professor, because

I had heard about him talking about this amazing round he had at Dunbar with this member that he met. And I'm blanking on his name. He's an architect. But I asked Kevin to put me in touch with them and I had an experience with those guys and they were phenomenal. Right. And that was just sort of, sort of, think that's just like the serendipity kind of the way you can leverage a society like this. Right. And so that was my last, that was supposed to be my last round in Scotland. And I finished at Dunbar.

about four o'clock, I had to get something for my wife. I got on the express train in Edinburgh and did my shopping, shopped back to Dunbar, got in my car, it was about 6.15, I'm like, kill Spindy, can I still get on? And I went and had a beautiful late round for my last night in Scotland, right?

Matt Considine (01:14:15.556)
I've seen that exact acceleration in you, George, over last couple of years, and you're a thirst for golf architecture, golf knowledge. So that's definitely one.

Scott Ford (01:14:16.41)
Love it.

George M (01:14:24.98)
You know, so, so bringing that back here, I remember I, I'm like, I'm involved in rotary where I live and I never was before. And it's just because my wife was a business owner here, but I just, and what I gave a speech on my experience in Scotland and really talked about, you know, the caddies and wanting to have sort of like something like that here even. Right. And actually I wore multiple shirts for that, that presentation. And I did the same thing today. And if you will allow me just very quickly, I've got my car new ski.

Matt Considine (01:14:52.804)
we got it.

George M (01:14:54.798)
one on here and Jay's got it on his back wall. this was from

Matt Considine (01:15:01.442)
This is a PG show, okay? It's kid rated. So George, I don't know how many layers you got on, but...

Robert The Bruce (01:15:04.35)
Yes.

George M (01:15:04.796)
I know there's not much more flesh to be, there won't be any, any considerable more flesh to be shown. So don't worry. this is Crayo. We had a fantastic round with Andy. This was, know, you guys didn't make the ballot. Let's make something happen. Jay, Jeff and I played Crayo phenomenal experience got having to play golf with Andy too. And what I said was, so here is the last one, right? My wife bought me this shirt. Okay. It's Scotland.

Chris (01:15:05.155)
Yes.

George M (01:15:33.364)
It's in my DNA, right? And I thought I might have some Scottish blood in me. Upon further investigation, I don't. A little bit of Irish, but no Scottish, but people I talked to would be like, you look more Scottish than I do. You know, and for me, I think the golf experience, the new club experience is definitely imprinted on my, you know, DNA as a golfer, as a person. And yeah, so thanks for that gift. I really appreciate that.

Matt Considine (01:15:41.316)
Yeah.

Matt Considine (01:15:46.806)
Yeah, you sure do, buddy.

Matt Considine (01:15:57.976)
Well said. And as we round out past this next hour, don't feel you have to give as deep of a response for each question. We are going to run out of hours here. My wife is going to yell at me and start rapping presence. Chris Knoisen, how did the trip change the way you think about your own goals and pursuits in the game of golf? Has it altered your...

Robert The Bruce (01:16:08.756)
you

Matt Considine (01:16:27.426)
You know, journey it all.

Chris (01:16:31.395)
think it's just a combination of playing a little bit of a different game and the old additive of there's really not one way to get the ball in the hole. You know, as someone who grew up in that era of, you know, 60 degree is king. And that's kind of what you went into the greens with Robert the Bruce and the Valley is in there. But yeah, you know, there's a lot of different ways to make a four and you got to utilize that.

George M (01:16:53.652)
you

Scott Ford (01:16:53.861)
Ha

Chris (01:17:00.183)
You know for all of your advantages out there. you know I look at I look at shots even at my home course or other places I play and maybe there's a you know off the beaten pathway I can I can still make that par putt or get it in the hole. So I think just having those rounds for that week under my belt you know got me there that and always look at the price tags in the pro shop before you just go and grab grab that gift because you know not all.

Jay Searle (01:17:22.168)
Okay.

George M (01:17:22.74)
You

Scott Ford (01:17:26.917)
Chris (01:17:28.545)
Not all Harris tweeds stuffed animals for your daughter are created equally. So that's gonna be some perspective.

Matt Considine (01:17:34.574)
For our listeners, he is holding up a very nice looking rabbit hair, tweed shape. What clubhouse did you buy that at?

Chris (01:17:36.163)
You

Chris (01:17:44.26)
That was as we were literally like leaving the grounds for the last night going or leaving in general grabbing I couldn't find a better one. So yeah right by there and Yeah, that was it probably was equitable to Roberts late flat seat. I felt like at least at the time Whoo, they got me there. But yeah Fun times. No great times all around. There's there's it was good

Scott Ford (01:17:51.397)
forgot all about the wow.

George M (01:17:52.116)
I thought it was the Kohler

Matt Considine (01:18:08.632)
That's,

Matt Considine (01:18:13.508)
Robert, the Bruce has the last year and a half. So this is unique for us looking back that far. Has it deepened your appreciation for the home of golf since you left? Do you feel like it's higher than say that week after when you're on family vacay or is it a feeling of, man, I got to get back soon because it starts to dwindle?

Robert The Bruce (01:18:37.288)
each visit has been unique in its own way. I think the prior visits with Mr. Ford, were a bit more condensed and rushed, although I give him full credit for pulling everything together. because without him doing that, Todd and myself would have not been able to do that ourselves. So, I don't want to negate his efforts there being with.

New Club was a unique experience and more of a relaxed setting. I think my first trip I was focused on, I think a lot of people do, I want to shoot my best score possible at the all course. I shot pretty well the first trip. Jubilee, I think was my best scores on my original trip. This trip was really about the people I was surrounded with, the relaxed nature of it and just taking

it all in. I know most folks on here don't hang out with me regularly. Scott has been fortunate to be around me long enough with my business ventures and family life. I think what I've been working on since the last trip with the old course is just appreciating the now. I don't necessarily have to plan for the best score how I'm going to approach something. And that I know it's leveraging

more of a question you asked earlier, but just kind of focusing on the now and relaxing in a little bit. I'm fortunate to have a phenomenal family. So I'm always rushing wherever I travel to, I'm rushing back home to them and our cruise was great. but you know, from a perspective of golf and life is I'm trying to be more present in the now and enjoying the moment and not rushing to the next event or experience.

Matt Considine (01:20:35.884)
Yeah. Jay, Jay Searle, if you had to explain the pilgrimage to someone who hasn't been, let's say it's a new member who is interested but doesn't know, what would you say the pilgrimage is actually about?

Jay Searle (01:20:54.638)
I mean, in its heart, it is a spiritual journey. I mean, there's no doubt about it, right? I think everything everybody said here really kind of hammers that point home is that the golf is phenomenal, but the bonds we made between all of us on the call and not on the call, those will last a lifetime. And just, you like I said earlier, my outlook on golf is completely different than when I left. When I left to go to the pilgrimage,

I don't look at golf the same way and it's for the better. you know, people ask me what, you know, you played the old course, right? And I go, of course. And they'll ask, what did you shoot? And I go, I don't remember. I don't care. Like I enjoyed the walk. I had, I, know, every tee box I was giddy. And I just, you just, you feel something different when you're on that course. And it's just really hard to put in words, but I mean, if you, if you're on the fence about

a trip like that, you just have to do it. You won't regret it.

Robert The Bruce (01:21:57.821)
I was with Jay, he shot very well. I'll just add that.

Matt Considine (01:22:02.052)
Jay's meant for Lynx, feel like. His game is very well suited for it.

Robert The Bruce (01:22:03.7)
I was on the other side of that though, so I was a little bit...

Scott Ford (01:22:03.933)
Yes.

Jay Searle (01:22:06.542)
I think I played the Jubilee, I didn't pull driver once. I think I pulled four iron off every tee, kept it in front of you. That's all you had to do. And I think that's something I learned going out there.

Matt Considine (01:22:11.246)
smart.

Jubilee, if honestly, if you said I had 10 rounds to like, you know, beat my handicap in St. Andrews, the Jubilee is the last course I'm picking. That place is brutally difficult. You gotta own your ball, man. It is, it's a player's golf course. Scott, you're going to take us out and you're going to take us out with kind of a lightning round here. I want it to be advice for our eight pilgrims headed to St. Andrews in 2026. This will be number four, our fifth trip to Scotland and our fourth pilgrimage.

George M (01:22:23.218)
Thank

Scott Ford (01:22:34.636)
Gotcha.

Scott Ford (01:22:39.828)
Okay.

Matt Considine (01:22:44.329)
one sentence for each of these, I know it's gonna be tough, but we'll start with one thing to do.

Scott Ford (01:22:53.513)
One thing to do in St. Andrews for the pilgrimage while you're attending is walk the streets. Embrace the town of St. Andrews.

Matt Considine (01:23:00.996)
beautiful.

Matt Considine (01:23:04.9)
One thing to leave behind

Scott Ford (01:23:10.004)
your expectation. Not your passport exactly Robert. One thing to leave behind what you thought you knew about golf and what it means to you as an individual.

Jay Searle (01:23:10.808)
You

Matt Considine (01:23:14.988)
Ha!

Matt Considine (01:23:26.532)
That's the one I always try to tell people because it's so damn true. Next is one thing to notice.

Scott Ford (01:23:37.514)
The one thing to notice while on the pilgrimage is the sheer joy everyone has in and around the Old Course. And actually, in and around.

the links trust right i mean it's it's all the courses right you take the old course out new jubilee even they're all still great to play but just yeah castle great one there just notice just notice the pure excitement enjoyment of everyone that's there

Matt Considine (01:24:04.204)
Castle.

They just scooped up the Dukes too.

George M (01:24:10.344)
Great.

Matt Considine (01:24:15.96)
And then finally, this kind of speaks to what my initial letter introducing the pilgrimage I started this whole thing with was, you know, even if it's 10%, let's bring the spirit back. What's it? So my last question, Scott, in this light route is what's the one thing to bring home with you?

Scott Ford (01:24:35.157)
Golf is inviting. Golf is all inclusive. You don't have to belong to a club. You don't have to belong to a group or whatever. But golf is inviting. Invite others into it because it is a game of a lifetime and it will change the way you look. That's it.

Matt Considine (01:24:55.864)
That's beautiful. Gentlemen, thank you for being with us today. My apologies on the delay doing this. I hope a year and a half removed it's as meaningful if we would have done this thing three months after July of 24. I hope this is a keepsake for us to spark some memories to keep refining the pilgrimage year in year out. Always new is the slogan, right? And we're going to

George M (01:25:24.372)
Mm.

Matt Considine (01:25:25.454)
try to do that for this one moving forward. And I sincerely from the bottom of my heart can't thank you guys for extending this tradition of the pilgrimage to yourselves, everyone you play with, everyone that's a part of New Club. You know, we're now on to four and there's never a guarantee in life. And you guys have your imprint on this. I see a lot of the flags in your backgrounds today from that trip. Andy and Graham have all of them.

three soon to be four in their office with your names on it. And, uh, and you're a part of that fabric in that town, um, as well. So thanks. Thanks everybody for listening. Uh, thanks to our partner at Titleist. Uh, the ball promo for our Pro V ones will be coming out here in the new year. If you're a new club member, stay tuned for that. If you're not head over to Titleist.com, uh, use their online ball fitter to make sure you're in the right ball first before you submit those orders for 2026.

And play more Lynx golf. You don't have to buy as many golf balls if you're playing Lynx golf. Maybe not on Jubilee, the, those come in, the course comes in pretty severe on some shots. But other than that, enjoy the game. Enjoy the people you play with. I enjoy these guys right here that I spent this last hour half with. And looking forward to teaming up more with you guys in 2026 as well on our journey ahead.

We'll catch you guys on the next one.

Robert The Bruce (01:26:54.229)
Appreciate it.

George M (01:26:54.505)
Thank you.